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i live in houston and need
i live in houston and need people in the bigger cities to help get people together. san antonio, austin, beaumont, el paso, dallas, corpus christie... e mail me at the above mail or call 832-477-7659
I live near Wichita Falls in
I live near Wichita Falls in n. central Texas. Is there anything going on in this area that I could become involved with?
Is the plan to have a single
Is the plan to have a single march on the state capital as a satellite event to the DC event, a number of smaller marches on county courthouses throughout the state, or some combination of the two?
I live in West Texas and
I live in West Texas and wonder how and where to join the bus trip to D.C.? I also wonder what the cost of the trip will be, how long the round trip will take?
Is this trip being advertised in local news papers?
Alan... Looks like we have a
Alan...
Looks like we have a great reason to visit Austin now due to the events of yesterday at the capitol...
And more important the mis-guided reaction by a Republican State Senator named Dan Patrick...
You know, we worked very hard to get the state to understand the bad policy of restricting CHL'ers from visiting and conducting business while in government facilities...
But we all know the battle still wages...Gimme a call, you know the number...
howdy all, i am the state
howdy all, i am the state coordinator here in Texas and i have some good solid information for all Texans interested in this movement. i have enlisted some very solid help from an activist here and we are positively moving to make our movement a reality in Texas. There are other people offering help and they also are very positive activists who have helped the cause of freedom in other states. Now we need to nail down for sure a date to rally in Austin. i am thinking saturday April 17th and am trying to gain the support of allies in the legislature. We are moving forward and we will have a rally in Austin. Stay tuned and keep in touch.
" GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH "
Alan Niederlitz
Thanks, Alan. This is the
Thanks, Alan. This is the kind of information I was looking for. Now I have more questions.
As I understand it, long gun open carry is not prohibited and is therefore entirely legal, even in Austin. Handguns, of course, are another story. Are there any plans for the march in Austin involve an empty-holster protest, for those who either don't own long guns or don't bring them?
How do you think recent events in Austin will shape the event?
Come and Take It!
andrew, thanks for the
andrew, thanks for the question and let me say if you want to carry an EMPTY holster it is not illegal to do so. please join us saturday april 17th at 10am in the parking lot at congress and 2nd street. we will start from there at noon. e mail me at texas2amarch@yahoo.com ...
andrew, thanks for the
andrew, thanks for the question and let me say if you want to carry an EMPTY holster it is not illegal to do so. please join us saturday april 17th at 10am in the parking lot at congress and 2nd street. we will start from there at noon. e mail me at texas2amarch@yahoo.com ...
My wife and I plan to attend
My wife and I plan to attend the DC march. Has any planning been done on transportation, hotel, etc.?
Hi Tom, That's great! We're
Hi Tom,
That's great! We're happy to have you.
Please see the "Travel" link on the horizontal navigation bar near the top of the page.
Thanks!
Gotta love your
Gotta love your "PRO-CONSTITUTION RALLY" idea................................... However, your statement that people with concealed license's cant bring their firearms........well now that's suspect at the very least. Isn't the right to keep and bear arms part of the constitution...... yet this is suppose to be a "PRO-CONSTITUTION RALLY". Sounds like a contradiction to me...... I think the Obama folks are looking for a few good people just like you.
I believe I'll take a few minutes to forward my friends e-mail to a few more folks. Hope your alone at your rally.
Marc Doan
Live Oak, TX
Mark, you're missing the
Mark, you're missing the point of the marches, which is to exercise our rights in a legal, non-violent manner while pressing for governments at all levels to more fully honor those rights. Bear in mind that open carry of a handgun, even by a CCW holder, is a crime here in Texas. Given that crimes involving deadly weapons are, AFAIK, automatically felonies, a conviction on such a charge could cost the license-holder both his license and the ability to acquire more guns in the future. This is why I asked Alan about empty holster protests. I believe in civil disobedience, but I'm not going to give up my ability to protect myself just to make a point.
If you favor open carry (as I do) or campus carry (as I do), the best way to push for it right now is to arrange things like empty holster protests, rather than to randomly draw a six gun in the middle of a college quad or shopping mall.
From the FAQ:
Will people be carrying guns?
Because it is the right of all people to keep and bear arms, we fully support the peaceful carrying of firearms where allowed by law. However, because Washington DC's overly oppressive laws prohibit carrying firearms in public, We cannot promote or condone carrying firearms on the main march in Washington DC. However, if not prohibited by law at any of our satellite marches, we fully support the peaceful carrying of arms.
This applies to mostly to the National March, because open carry is not legal in D.C. Here in Texas, the rules are different because the laws are different, just as a march in Juneau, Alaska or Phoenix, Arizona are even less restrictive than those here in Texas. Alaska and Arizona, as unrestricted open carry states, will probably feature lots and lots of guns visible. The march in Austin, because Texas is a Long-Gun Open Carry state, will probably feature lots of rifles and shotguns, but no handguns plainly visible.
Gotta Love......people like
Gotta Love......people like marc. Always pushing against the people/groups that are the defenders of liberty, he'll find anything to disagree with. Hes probably just a liberal troll sent to disrupt freedom groups. There are many of them out there, causing trouble in hpes of dirupting the movement. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH marc good luck finding a PERFECT group in which everyone agrees with your point of view. Good luck in you march texas !!!! your doing a great thing!!!
the Austin rally will happen
the Austin rally will happen saturday april 17. we will meet in the large parking lot at 2nd street and congress... we will march up congress to the capitol starting at noon. So please plan on meeting no later than 10 a.m. As for the bearing of arms... i cannot stop nor will i tell anyone NOT to. I do NOT advocate carrying sidearms openly as you will probably be arrested. License holders of course can carry concealed anywhere it is legal to do so. As far as long arms is concerned or any on capitol GROUNDS i do not know the legality there but i will have an answer within days for all to read here and i will email my list with the answer. I know bearing long arms in Texas is not illegal... i hope to have Wil Radford speak. He i believe helped get the first shall issue law passed in Florida as a member of the North Central Florida sportsmens club. I of course will speak and i hope to get a few others but have no info yet on that.
On a side note, how about Ron Paul winning the straw poll at cpac for president? 9% over romney!!! awesome! Anyone interested in helping out would be heartily welcomed and i would like to hear that some of you will have second amendment march banners to wave... Anyway, i am looking forward to a great rally and cannot wait to meet all of you!!! alan
Alan, I have limited time
Alan,
I have limited time available, but would like to help. I live in Austin and will do what I can on a local basis to help with the march. Pls let me know what I can do to assist.
Thanks
Bobby
can you help me find out
can you help me find out austin police response if we walk carrying long arms? i plan on bypassing any permits by staying on the sidewalk on congress and off capitol grounds. using the lot @ 2nd and congress as a start and end point. i do not expect more than 1000 people if that many... maybe you could donate a 2a march banner to help me out... let me know sir and thanks for ANY help you can provide. Alan
e mail me at
e mail me at texas2amarch@yahoo.com
You bet I can. My neighbor
You bet I can. My neighbor across the street is a Commander with APD. I'll
ask him this evening and get back to you.
Bobby
You bet I can. My neighbor
You bet I can. My neighbor across the street is a Commander with APD. I'll
ask him this evening and get back to you.
Bobby
Alan and Andrew As a peace
Alan and Andrew
As a peace officer in Texas I am well aware of what Texas laws are regarding the carrying of firearms. I do not recall making any statement in my post about "openly carrying firearms" during the rally and did not encourage anyone to do so. I referred to an e-mail sent by Alan which was contradictory in nature and in which he encouraged CHL holders attending not to carry firearms. In other words he was and is attempting to prevent those lawfully carrying a firearm via a concealed carry license from attending a rally. For the record you will find my original comment below which was posted in reference to the Texas rally, not the DC rally.
You can’t have it both ways here. You either support the rally and what it stands for or you do not. Andrew… I am not missing any point. I support a peaceful rally and would have it no other way. I do not advocate violence or the violation of any law, at any time as this would be detrimental to our cause.
However, I do not think that folks legally carrying a concealed weapon should be asked not to come or be prohibited from attending the rally simply because they choose to exercise there right to “legally” carry a concealed firearm.
“Gotta love your "PRO-CONSTITUTION RALLY" idea................................... However, your statement that people with concealed license's cant bring their firearms........well now that's suspect at the very least. Isn't the right to keep and bear arms part of the constitution...... yet this is suppose to be a "PRO-CONSTITUTION RALLY". Sounds like a contradiction to me...... I think the Obama folks are looking for a few good people just like you.
I believe I'll take a few minutes to forward my friends e-mail to a few more folks. Hope your alone at your rally.”
Marc Doan
Live Oak, TX
Marc, I did not realize you
Marc,
I did not realize you were a peace officer. Nor did I mean to tell you your business. Doubtless you are far more familiar with our weapons laws than I am. Thank you for your service and for clarifying your earlier post. I misunderstood your statement about CHL holders carrying firearms to mean all firearms, not just concealed handguns.
I'm a retired PO. Still have
I'm a retired PO. Still have "connections" and am happy to help.
Bobby
Howdy Bobby, please email me
Howdy Bobby, please email me directly and lets see what we can work on together. please contact me as soon as possible... thank you, alan
Mr. Doan, to set the record
Mr. Doan, to set the record staight, i have reconciled the email i sent out and you got one of those,i posted it here also for all to read... i was wrong to say ANYTHING about bearing arms at all. i was thinking of the recent shooting on the capitol steps and was worried about MY liability thank you sir! We can all carry whatever we want but i was trying to make the point to stay within the law, thank you sir! also, please sir, work with me on this issue if you can or want to. are there not laws that would apply that would put any bearer of a long arm in breach of the law so as to be arrested by austin p.d.? i would love to see as many rifles as possible in the crowd but i do not want to piss off A.P.D. as i am sure they are p.c.. plus A.P.D. would come to me FIRST for anything, is that right? i would appreciate your help in any way you could afford sir, so work with me and let's have a great rally... please accept my apology sir, i am a staunch 2a and constitution supporter, i am not going to tell anyone what they can or cannot do. let's go to austin and have as much fun as possible... my garand from my cold dead hands, alan
As you requested: Displaying
As you requested:
Displaying of a firearm in public may violate the following statute and as such is an arrestable offense.
Sec. 42.01. DISORDERLY CONDUCT. (a) A person commits an offense if he intentionally or knowingly:
(8) displays a firearm or other deadly weapon in a public place in a manner calculated to alarm;
(d) An offense under this section is a Class C misdemeanor unless committed under Subsection (a)(7) or (a)(8), in which event it is a Class B misdemeanor.
One should note that depending upon the situation, location, etc... other statutes may apply such as chapter 46 of the penal code which deals with weapons and where they are prohibited as well as other violations. In addition the City of Austin may have city ordinances in place regarding the display or use of weapons within the city. Last but not least, given the right circumstances, situation, location, etc.... federal laws may also be in play. I am referring to gun free school zones, etc. I include this not knowing the route and specfic location(s) of the march.
I would be happy to assist anywhere I can.
Marc, This is the law
Marc,
This is the law concerning brandishing, right? This may be a question for a lawyer, but do you know of case law that clearly establishes the difference between harmless display and 'a manner calculated to alarm'? It would seem to me, as a private citizen with no legal training, that the primary difference between display and disorderly conduct is the intent of the person holding the weapon, with some allowance made for visible demeanor. However, some people find the mere presence of weapons alarming, so display vs brandishing might also be in the eye of the beholder.
This is all rather moot for me, as I am not an CHL holder and don't yet own any long guns. I am just curious about the legalities involved.
Thanks
Andrew
Yes I believe it is the
Yes I believe it is the statute you are referring to. No I am not aware of any specific case law.
Regarding this statute one would have to prove “intent” however if one person is “alarmed” for enforcement purposes intent is virtually established. Understand that I am not talking about prosecution or establishment of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. I am just saying that one might very well end up arrested and charged regardless of the later outcome.
It would be wise in my opinion not to walk around with firearms displayed. Follow the law. Carry concealed if, when and in a manner allowed by law. Otherwise dont bring a firearm. Viking Princess 45acp said it well in her post.
thank you sir. we will meet
thank you sir. we will meet in the parking lot at 2nd and congress and progress to the capitol grounds, we my immediately egress back to the parking lot or may stop at the capitol or near it... i understand that capitol grounds use may need permits for use of any kind... i will find out and pull permits for that... at this time cost is an issue... you do have my email, don't you. alan
mr. doan, I DID NOT ASK OR
mr. doan, I DID NOT ASK OR SAY TO ANYONE THAT CONCEALED LICENSE HOLDERS SHOULD NOT OR WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO CARRY THEIR PISTOL... I GENERALLY MEANT THAT MAYBE WE SHOULD NOT CARRY ANY FIREARMS AT ALL... I DID NOT SINGLE OUT CHL HOLDERS SPECIFICALLY AND AGAIN I APOLOGIZE FOR THE CONFUSION IT IS CAUSING... WHY DON'T WE END THIS AND WORK TOGETHER IN OUR RALLY SIR... EMAIL ME DIRECTLY PLEASE IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS, THANK YOU, ALAN
the parking lot where we will
the parking lot where we will be meeting do we have permission to park there
I will confirm the situation
I will confirm the situation with the parking lot within the next few days and post it here.
There are various State parking lots, that are usually free (no parking fees), located on Trinity St. (one-way traveling north) between 12th St. and 17th St.'s. Some of these lots you can access from San Jacinto Blvd (one-way traveling south) between 17th and 12th St.'s as well.
Granted, these parking lots are closer to the State Capital (Congress and 11th St.).
I am guessing the march will end at the Capital with possibly some speakers talking about RKBA. However, these parking lots are further from where we will be meeting at Congress Ave. and 2nd St., so that we can march in mass to the Capital.
Please take this into account for those of you that may have limited mobility.
Regarding the parking lot at Congress Ave. and 2nd St., from what I can tell when driving by the parking lot, it is basically a typical pay to park parking lot. Parking lots of this type range from $5 to $7 for parking.
Again, I will recon and report within the next few days.
I stand corrected in my
I stand corrected in my comment above. While reviewing Alan's posts I found this, "...using the lot @ 2nd and Congress as a start and end point."
Here is the situation, cost
Here is the situation, cost wise, on parking at the parking lot at Congress Ave. and 2nd St. During the week the parking fee is $5. There is another parking lot adjacent to this one that is located at Brazos St. and 3rd St. This parking lot is $7 during the week. Both lots may be higher priced on the weekend.
Nonetheless, typical downtown parking spots along the streets are free.
Here is an aerial link to google maps at Congress Ave. and 2nd St. http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=austin+texas...
I have foregone my trip to
I have foregone my trip to Washington DC and decided to go to Austin instead. Has a list of speakers been announced? Has Perry, Medina, Murray, Broden, Berman, etc. been invited?
Howdy All, i have sent a
Howdy All, i have sent a message to invite Debra Medina but have had NO response yet. i have not invited anyone else yet... if any of you know the other legislators, please invite them and let me know...
From my area, please invite
From my area, please invite U. S. Representative Pete Olson
Texas Representative Randy Weber
and Texas Senator Mike Jackson
The Big Country
The Big Country representatives are Randy Neugebauer (the Big Country and the South Plains), Mac Thornberry (the Panhandle and the Caprock), and Mike Conaway (the southern half of the Big Country).
I have heard that Austin PD
I have heard that Austin PD has stated they will arrest and charge anyone carrying a long gun at this rally. Can this be confirmed?
Charge them for what? Being
Charge them for what? Being a law-abiding citizen? Now, that I can understand.
My guess would be Disorderly
My guess would be Disorderly Conduct, but that's just a guess. That's why I was wondering if anyone had any confirmation on this.
it would be nice if rick
it would be nice if rick perry could attend
Just bring signs and people.
Just bring signs and people. No need for guns,,,,yet.
howdy all, this is your state
howdy all, this is your state coordinator alan! it would be nice if i could get a head count of how many might show up... i plan on starting in the lot at 2nd and congress and walking the sidewalk to the capitol and then back to the parking lot... there are flyers and banners you can down load to print out... the banners obviously need a heavy vinyl reinforced material to print onto but the flyers are free and you could enlarge them... if you create your own signs, keep them real simple so they are easy to read and keep to our point. the 2nd guarantees all the rest!!! March 21st, 2010 is the SECOND darkest day in American history, the first of course is the day b.o. was elected to destroy our country... As for long guns, one of our attendees for the rally has informed me through a Austin police commander who is his next door neighbor that the A.P.D. will not allow us to carry long arms. more very soon... e mail me at texas2amarch@yahoo.com
Count me in in, Plus 2 more
Count me in in, Plus 2 more
hey tom , email me directly
hey tom , email me directly please and let me know where you heard that. please contact me at texas2amarch@yahoo.com
Alan, I will definitely be
Alan, I will definitely be there and I plan on bringing as many people as I can. I'm recruiting friends right now to show support.
Aaron
Hi Y'all: I wanted to let
Hi Y'all:
I wanted to let everyone know about the 'other march' going on near DC, in Virginia.
Also, please note the picture of the march leader, Daniel, dressed as allowed by Virginia Law, carrying his long arm rifle slung behind, muzzle down.
(I think he's got a displayed pistol, that won't pass muster in Texas.)
I just thought this picture was 'worth a thousand words' so please take note.
I don't know how to post a picture here (if you do, please do so !), so visit this link to see the picture:
http://restoretheconstitution.wordpress.com/2010/03/29/permit-for-rtc-ra...
God bless the Patriots of Texas !
Hello Alan & all others: May
Hello Alan & all others:
May I ask what are the plans for the march in Austin ?
I'll be checking back or email me when you can at my contact email.
God bless, Chaplain David
howdy chaplain, the 2a rally
howdy chaplain, the 2a rally in Austin on saturday April 17th will meet in the parking lot at 2nd street and congress. We will meet at 10am and then walk to the capitol building about 11:30 and gather there for an hour or so. i will speak, Wil Radford will speak and i have a gentleman who is a retired secret service agent who may speak also... when we finish we will walk back to the parking lot and go from there. i believe there may be some extra activities after that, i am not sure of details just yet.